Transmission fluid change

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tb152

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I have a 2004 Tahoe LT @ 119,000 miles. The owners manual says to change the change automatic transmission fluid and filter at 100,000.

I called Firestone and they didn't want to do the flush or just the change the fluid because of risks that it might break the transmission. The mechanic said that even just changing the fluid can be risky as it has detergents in it that can break up goo that is essentially holding the transmission together.

Obviously I am not going to do the flush but I do want to drop the pan and change the filter. What are the chances that it will bust the transmission? Does anyone else have experience doing this service at the mileage I'm at?

Seems like a damned if you do, damned if you don't situation.
 

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Should have no problem dropping pan and changing the filter and then top off. You will be mixing new fluid with old when you top off so should be ok. The trans fluid has lots of detergents in them so all new, after a flush, can be a shock to the system and cause problems. I always do mine every 50k and do the filter and flush each time. Way cheaper than a trans repair.
 

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I cant believe I just read that reply...

the process of flushing a transmission is less invasive than dropping the pan and replacing the filter...

if your filter needs replacement you have more problems already that the service wont help....dropping the pan creates a situation where the transmission has to prime itself and pump fluid...

flushing a transmission replaces fluid that is being removed along its normal route through the cooler lines and is totally non-intrusive and transparent to the transmission operation....it is an inatimate object that cannot be "shocked" by fresh fluid being introduced as worn, tired fluid is removed...

problems with any transmission service only arise when there is a pre-existing condition that would cause transmission failure...if the inside of a transmission is gummed up to the extent that fresh detergents are going to cuase a problem you were well on your way toward that problem already....

an indication of a pre-existing condition would be already burnt fluid or heavy varnish deposits on the dipstick along with severe discoloration of the fluid...the current detergents in the fluid would have been working overtime to remove varnich already and the fluid would tell the story....

if your trans fluid is clean there is nothing to worry about...just like an engine oil change you are replacing the fluid before it is worn out...that's the whole idea...once its lost its cleaning and lubricating properties the damage is already being done....that's why fluid level and condition should be checked at every service...
 

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I cant believe I just read that reply...

the process of flushing a transmission is less invasive than dropping the pan and replacing the filter...

if your filter needs replacement you have more problems already that the service wont help....dropping the pan creates a situation where the transmission has to prime itself and pump fluid...

flushing a transmission replaces fluid that is being removed along its normal route through the cooler lines and is totally non-intrusive and transparent to the transmission operation....it is an inatimate object that cannot be "shocked" by fresh fluid being introduced as worn, tired fluid is removed...

problems with any transmission service only arise when there is a pre-existing condition that would cause transmission failure...if the inside of a transmission is gummed up to the extent that fresh detergents are going to cuase a problem you were well on your way toward that problem already....

an indication of a pre-existing condition would be already burnt fluid or heavy varnish deposits on the dipstick along with severe discoloration of the fluid...the current detergents in the fluid would have been working overtime to remove varnich already and the fluid would tell the story....

if your trans fluid is clean there is nothing to worry about...just like an engine oil change you are replacing the fluid before it is worn out...that's the whole idea...once its lost its cleaning and lubricating properties the damage is already being done....that's why fluid level and condition should be checked at every service...





If you had read you would see that he was talking about changing fluid with 119k miles on it and my post said that I do mine every 50k so the problems you list would not be there. The filter change at the first service will have finite metal pieces in it from the internal metal parts starting to round off the sharp edges and that metal gets trapped in the filter like it should. You have your opinion, even if you give it without reading everything, but mine is based off of real world experience being in the business for 35 years. you are always welcome to yours and I am to mine. Believe that, because yes you did just read that.
 

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If you had read you would see that he was talking about changing fluid with 119k miles on it and my post said that I do mine every 50k so the problems you list would not be there. The filter change at the first service will have finite metal pieces in it from the internal metal parts starting to round off the sharp edges and that metal gets trapped in the filter like it should. You have your opinion, even if you give it without reading everything, but mine is based off of real world experience being in the business for 35 years. you are always welcome to yours and I am to mine. Believe that, because yes you did just read that.

wow...thanks...mine is also based on real world experience and the same amount of time in the field....a good portion of it as an engine, transmission and rear axle specialist...the finite metal particles (from " the internal metal parts starting to round off the sharp edges") as you stated are of no real consequence and are generally from the initial break in of the transmission (even by your description) which occurred many miles previous and have no harmful effects or we would require an early filter replacement in order to eliminate them...in the event there is significant enough wear in the transmission to compromise the filter then there is damage already done that no servicing could reduce (which is what you would have pulled from my information had you read it)...the filter is there to capture particles from normal wear and for all practical purposes will most likely last the life of the transmission without requiring replacement under normal circumstances (read-routine maintenance)...

it really is inconsequential how many miles he has gone as long as he has not experienced any abnormal wear or damage to the transmission....a transmission flush will not "shock" the transmission into failure along with the fact that a fluid and filter change would be (as previously stated) more intrusive than simply replacing fluid as it passes along its already mundane route to and from the cooler as a flush does....

both services introduce new detergents that will continue to clean the transmission....the transmission is not "familiar' with the fluid that is already in the transmission and adding entirely fresh fluid as opposed to only partial fresh fluid will increase the lubrication properties and more likely stave off additional wear as opposed to causing more...

again....if there is enough varnish build-up in transmission to cause a problem the damage is already done...if the fluid being changed does not indicate any concerns there are none to be concerned about...under normal service transmission fluid will last well over 100k miles and some manufacturers are not recommending changes at all or at intervals in the 130k area because of this....it is not 1985 anymore....I think my post was clear regarding the conditions where a flush is more beneficial than a fluid and filter change....

the firestone dealer who turned down the flush citing potential damage has probably made the mistake of changing fluid on vehicles with problems/without checking the fluid pre-service and found out the hard way that those should be avoided....many customers think that a service is a fix all and walk unwary/naive service departments into that trap unknowingly....

I don't have a reading deficit....I saw an inaccurate description of what a transmission flush does and the damage it can cause and called it out...if you need credentials they are a college education in automotive service...17 years as a gm master certified tech....17 years as a dealer service manager with zone and division leading customer satisfaction and repair success rate....ase master certification and currently a technical school automotive technology instructor...I wouldn't normally mention it but am pretty sure this is the beginning of a dick measuring contest that I am not going to participate in beyond this point...the op has enough information to draw their own conclusion...

have a great day....
 

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Good discussion and info. I just got a 2006 Tahoe 2WD - I assume it has a 4L60 transmission. So far the trans. seems to work fine. I want to change the fluid and filter. The usual place I go opens the filter so we can see what's in there. Is this a thread to discuss what fluid to use? Dextron 6 or Amsoil or ?. On my Suburban I changed every 30k or so and last time we put in synthetic. That car has 200k on that trans. I'm not concerned about the fluid cost just want the trans. to last as long as I need it to. I'm not sure if it has a trans. cooler, I haven't got under it yet. Adding a cooler is probably another subject. Thanks.
 
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